Is the "Tony test" the only way to measure battery?
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miimura
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I believe that if you were somehow able to decode the information on the Tesla CANbus, you would be able to see the BMS's estimate of kWh or Ah capacity. However, this may not be generally available to Toyota techs. Maybe if they had the Tesla software, they could dig for that info. However, the people you would normally talk to at the dealership would not know this or want to give you that information in the first place.atzmark said:
If you are really motivated you could probably dig around on the internet and find something useful that is normally used on Tesla vehicles. You would have to make a cable that connects to the diagnostic port at the rear of the car. There may be a dongle solution that connects to the correct pins on that connector and makes the data available on Bluetooth or WiFi.
Support from Toyota is fairly limited on the drivetrain and battery made by Tesla. Tesla seems to reluctantly give Toyota access to an engineer as needed for items needing repair only. Tony test is just a fairly standardized empirical test developed by Tony during his extensive testing and engineering centered around the RAV4-EV. I suspect even the limited support from Tesla could soon be even harder to get just as the owners of the Roadster 1 are starting to discover.
Wow...so if I do the "Tony test" and my battery only has 35% of original capacity, the dealer will replace the battery (under California state warranty) on my say so, lol.
Come on now, are you really saying the dealer has no way to test the capacity of the traction battery to see if it should be replaced under warranty? Tony has said only six batteries have been replaced....How did Toyota determine a replacement was needed?
I've have a Leaf tested ($85) at the dealer, Tesla dealers can tell you, & I would bet every other EV's battery capacity (including plug-in Prius) can be tested by their dealer.
Like I said, this is both illogical and crazy. Mark
Come on now, are you really saying the dealer has no way to test the capacity of the traction battery to see if it should be replaced under warranty? Tony has said only six batteries have been replaced....How did Toyota determine a replacement was needed?
I've have a Leaf tested ($85) at the dealer, Tesla dealers can tell you, & I would bet every other EV's battery capacity (including plug-in Prius) can be tested by their dealer.
Like I said, this is both illogical and crazy. Mark
miimura
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There is no capacity warranty, so no need for such a procedure. That is only sort of tongue in cheek. Seriously though, if the capacity degraded to 35% of the original capacity, it would probably go out of balance and that would be a fault that would qualify for warranty replacement if the car was still within the 8/100 traction battery warranty.atzmark said:
miimura
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The other thing you may not know is that when the battery is significantly degraded, it doesn't illuminate all 16 bars, even in Extended mode. We have started to see that in the vehicle population. So, 35% would be scaled to 16ths of 35kWh and reflected on the 16 bars on the instrument panel.
atzmark said:
There is no way to test capacity (ie measured/timed electrical load on the battery), but one can certainly monitor what the BMS is reporting: every Toyota dealer will have the Techstream software and interface cable; hacked versions are also available on eBay and Amazon. By selecting the 'EV' ECU from the main menu, and then choosing 'Data List', the battery remaining kWhr will be displayed.
When I charge to standard charge, 36 kWhr is reported:
Topping off with an extended charge, my 60k mile pack reports 38 kWhr:
A Toyota EV tech should also have the Tesla powertrain software, which will report remaining kWhr with improved resolution.
atzmark said:
Every Toyota dealership has the Techstream software; it's what they use for a health check diagnosis.
As this is connected to the standard OBDII port up front (and not the rear Tesla gateway), any Toyota dealer can perform this check for you (ie they don't need to be EV certified).
You can also buy a hacked version of the software on eBay for around $40; search for Toyota Techstream, and find the offerings that include both the software and Mini VCI interface cable.
TonyWilliams
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The “Tony Test” is merely displaying the same data from Techstream.
If your 60,000 mile RAV4 EV shows 38kWh available on Techstream, the Tony Test will show that same value as 140 miles = 3.7 * 38kWh. By the way, 3.7 miles per kWh is simply 6 km per kWh.
That 38kWh includes about 0.8 kWh at the bottom of the charge that isn’t usable.
If your 60,000 mile RAV4 EV shows 38kWh available on Techstream, the Tony Test will show that same value as 140 miles = 3.7 * 38kWh. By the way, 3.7 miles per kWh is simply 6 km per kWh.
That 38kWh includes about 0.8 kWh at the bottom of the charge that isn’t usable.
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