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Responding to your points:

1) I am not aware of any replacement Denso heater failing. The original ones furnished have a relatively high failure rate, but not as high as some of the Tesla components, lol. ISTR that there is a part number change, but I can't find that info right now.

2) I looked at my replacement receipt from 2019, and 87101-42010 was $2,775; my usual source says $2,200 today. eBay has a "New -- Other" one on offer for $1,330 (plus tax).

3) Referring to pics I posted on this topic last December, IIRC, when using a Leaf unit as a replacement, you cut the D15 harness from the failed unit and adapt it to the Leaf unit, as the leaf has only a hard connector, and it's different (and, per Vlad, has pins that are unused on the RAV4 EV). I don't know of a public success story installing the Leaf unit to the RAV4 EV, so . . . this would be a pioneer job? It's sure seems like the least expensive thing to try . . . if one knew for certain that the Leaf unit you purchased was a later revision with the better heater element/PCB interface; the early Leaf units suffer a similar problem to the early RAV4 EV ones, and if the early units can be avoided . . . best done. But I have no info on how to do that; some research over on the Leaf forum would be req'd, I assume.

User ph2 installed a Ford Focus unit, and the wiring adaption was straightforward and I think he used both LV & HV harnesses harvested from the old heater, no adaption of the vehicle side wiring was required, so it could be put back to stock if desired.

4) addressed above

Does anyone know if the Nissan heater PCB fits into the Rav4ev heater PCB?

I don't, but wouldn't that be wonderful knowledge to have?
 
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I am not aware of any replacement Denso heater failing. The original ones furnished have a relatively high failure rate, but not as high as some of the Tesla components, lol. ISTR that there is a part number change, but I can't find that info right now.
https://ev-olution.yolasite.com/Nissan-Leaf-Heater-Fault.php
I was under the impression that all these denso heaters share the same mode of failure.

And looking at the nissan pcb pics on the above link, I would bet that it fits directly 😀
 
Well, yours certainly has failed in a new and unique way, right?
What I meant was that all these Denso heaters carry a risk of blown IGBT, in addition to the unique way my heater has failed.

The PCB/heater elements interface is different on different versions; ph2's is different from the one at that link as well.
Are you referring to this? https://www.myrav4ev.com/threads/all-posts-heater-failed-service-bulletin-tsb-0111-14.823/post-30506
I am a bit confused. My broken heater has that stamped sheet to make connections.
 
Note. The Leaf heater board uses a second connector of unknown purpose to me (in the photo it is on the left).
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Just a statement of fact. The RAV4EV heater board only uses one connector (12V power and RMI control signal). Although there is space on the board for this connector.
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... Pictures of the modules in that location, are in this post. IDK which of the (four?) modules in a row it is, but it's one of them.
PMC ECU is easy to recognize by the appearance/design of its connectors as was show images in
https://www.myrav4ev.com/threads/charging-stopped-due-to-system-malfunction.2692/page-7#post-32108


About Ford cabin heater in
RAV4EV was post FB (link was censored).
_www.facebook.com/groups/ToyotaRAV4EVTeslaPowered/permalink/27248662521416375/

Why the Leaf cabin heaters are called PTC elements is unknown to me. As their actual testing showed, when heated to about 320°F their resistance decreases.https://alflash.com.ua/2019/to_rav4ev/cabin_heater1.jpg
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Update. In RAV4EV I have encountered and/or read descriptions of such malfunctions.
1. Critical decrease in resistance of the heating element(s), which leads to the burnout of the IGBT of the corresponding group of heating elements.​
2. Burnout of the fuse.​
3. Pump malfunction.​
4. Malfunction of the passive components of the heater control printed circuit board.​
IMO. Considering the age of this model of car, the probability of this system breaking down is quite low.
 
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From the series "made on the knee" (selfmade devices) :)
Perhaps someone will find useful a simulator* of cabin heater control signals with duty cycle adjustment without noticeable influence on their repetition frequency.

View attachment 20241116_215352(1) (online-video-cutter.com) (1).mp4
For example, for direct control of this heater "manually".

*Scheme from a 40-year-old technical textbook :)
 
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And I agree. I said that here, and you pointed out that the Service Bulletin itself calls it a PTC Cabin Heater, and I suspect this is faulty documentation.

Still, if replacing the cover from a RAV4 EV's faulty cabin heater, and placing it on a Ford EV's heater . . . if that works, that's good information to have.
 
@alflash @asavage I was able to replace the Rav4 heater pcb (bottom) with a used Ford focus ev heater (top) which cost around $300, without any changes. I saw the heater control pwm and a peak current of 15A. Temp increased far too quickly to make a video of it

I clamped the heater and filled the pink coolant. The heater is working fine now !
 

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