smkettner said:Any reports of trouble on drive units after replacement?
Not immediately but with at least 12,000 miles on the new drive.
TonyWilliams said:smkettner said:Any reports of trouble on drive units after replacement?
Not immediately but with at least 12,000 miles on the new drive.
There have been serial replacements... I know of Model S cars with three motors.
My 1134 is working on a future number 3.
Motor two in at 11,500 miles
Car currently has 50,000 miles
To support what Tony mentioned, at least w/Model S.smkettner said:Any reports of trouble on drive units after replacement?
Not immediately but with at least 12,000 miles on the new drive.
I'm not so convinced it is, but it could be... There's plenty of discussion, sample recordings and speculation at http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/34141-Drive-unit-problems-explanation-by-Elon.TonyWilliams said:I'm convinced that it's ceramic bearing causing this issue.
We either put in old fashioned steel bearings, and suffer the tiny loss of range, or they fix the ceramic bearing issue.
cwerdna said:I'm not so convinced it is, but it could be... There's plenty of discussion, sample recordings and speculation at http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/34141-Drive-unit-problems-explanation-by-Elon.TonyWilliams said:I'm convinced that it's ceramic bearing causing this issue.
We either put in old fashioned steel bearings, and suffer the tiny loss of range, or they fix the ceramic bearing issue.
rayray said:My motor whine, which is more of a whistle, is getting louder and louder ... I'm going to make 3 recordings, and post here this week .. 2 from good ones, and mine ..
But I have a couple of questions:
1) If it really is the bearing or anything mechanical within the motor, then why does it not make the whine if I put it in neutral, and coast it at any speed ? Seems to me that if the bearing is bad, it would make the noise either way ?
2) Since this is so rampant, can we maybe get a class action law suit going?
4EVEREV said:rayray said:My motor whine, which is more of a whistle, is getting louder and louder ... I'm going to make 3 recordings, and post here this week .. 2 from good ones, and mine ..
But I have a couple of questions:
1) If it really is the bearing or anything mechanical within the motor, then why does it not make the whine if I put it in neutral, and coast it at any speed ? Seems to me that if the bearing is bad, it would make the noise either way ?
2) Since this is so rampant, can we maybe get a class action law suit going?
An EV does not have a mechanical neutral and what damages are you going to sue for if they are doing replacements?
rayray said:4EVEREV said:rayray said:My motor whine, which is more of a whistle, is getting louder and louder ... I'm going to make 3 recordings, and post here this week .. 2 from good ones, and mine ..
But I have a couple of questions:
1) If it really is the bearing or anything mechanical within the motor, then why does it not make the whine if I put it in neutral, and coast it at any speed ? Seems to me that if the bearing is bad, it would make the noise either way ?
2) Since this is so rampant, can we maybe get a class action law suit going?
An EV does not have a mechanical neutral and what damages are you going to sue for if they are doing replacements?
They are not doing replacements that the problem ... We are just being told the noise is "baseline" ...
Not sure if I understand about he mechanical neutral, either way the shaft has to turn, under load or not ... So, if the bearing is bad, it should make the noise under load or no load ... In this case no noise for me if there is no load... So, doesn't that point to the inverter more than the bearings ?
rayray said:4EVEREV,
Can you have the many people that have had no issues replacing their motors give us some pointers ?
We have 2 that are being denied the warranty replacement, and the reason is "the noise is in spec" ..
We have asked for the spec, the criteria, the method, anything to tell us how they make the determination, and they have nothing.
We have escalated to Toyota regional, and Toyota national, and they have both said "tuff luck" our decision is final, and if you don't like it, you can go to arbitration ...
I would love to know how the other folks so simply did get their motors replaced with no issues ...
Thanks for any advice in advance ...
Wish I could tell you there was some magic formula. I had mine done last Sep or Oct at around 6500 miles at Toyota Carlsbad. It had been getting steadily noisier over about a 2 month span, and I finally brought it in and complained about it. It took them about 3 days to get approval for the swap, another week to get the parts in, and then a day to do the swap. So far, so good at 16,000 miles (knocks on desk...does formica over particle board count?). The only thing I can suggest is to find out what the formal process is for appealing a decision like this and get it started. It might work, and if it doesn't, at least that hurdle will be out of the way if you decide to sue.rayray said:... Can you have the many people that have had no issues replacing their motors give us some pointers ? ...
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