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 Post subject: Re: Why did Toyota build Rav4 EV? Why hydrogen after 2014 ?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:10 am 
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Thank you Tony, for providing an excellent summary of each auto manufacturer.

JB Straubel, CTO of Tesla, has been saying they will get to $100 per kWh by 2020. That's only 4.5 years from today.

Have you studied the subject? $100 by 2020? Is that realistic? Tesla/Panasonic at $100 by 2020, and followed soon after by Samsung, LG, and others. (Nissan has been at this a long time now, what's their cost in $/kWh today? Is it true LG Chem will be supplying the Leaf soon?)

If so, how do you see this industry play out? 4.5 years is not a very long time!


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 Post subject: Will Toyota meet their CARB ZEV requirements in 2015?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 12:51 am 
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Given that Toyota sold only a few RAV4EVs and will likely sell < 200 Mirais in CA in 2015, will they meet their ZEV sales requirements this year?

I don't know how many credits they need, but I think that meeting the goal will be tough, especially if Mirais are slow to materialize here. I would be very interested in learning whether they are buying any ZEV credits from EV manufacturers (Tesla, Nissan?); that would be pretty ironic given their stated disdain for EVs.

Does anybody have any information on this topic?

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 Post subject: Re: Will Toyota meet their CARB ZEV requirements in 2015?
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tgreene wrote:
Given that Toyota sold only a few RAV4EVs and will likely sell < 200 Mirais in CA in 2015, will they meet their ZEV sales requirements this year?

I don't know how many credits they need, but I think that meeting the goal will be tough, especially if Mirais are slow to materialize here. I would be very interested in learning whether they are buying any ZEV credits from EV manufacturers (Tesla, Nissan?); that would be pretty ironic given their stated disdain for EVs.

Does anybody have any information on this topic?


I've heard (on a recent EV meeting) Toyota got another meeting with Tesla for another series of carb complient EV cars and Tesla basically gave them the finger.
just a rumor though

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 Post subject: Re: Will Toyota meet their CARB ZEV requirements in 2015?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:42 am 
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tgreene wrote:
Given that Toyota sold only a few RAV4EVs and will likely sell < 200 Mirais in CA in 2015, will they meet their ZEV sales requirements this year?

I don't know how many credits they need, but I think that meeting the goal will be tough, especially if Mirais are slow to materialize here. I would be very interested in learning whether they are buying any ZEV credits from EV manufacturers (Tesla, Nissan?); that would be pretty ironic given their stated disdain for EVs.

Does anybody have any information on this topic?


I've heard (on a recent EV meeting) Toyota got another meeting with Tesla for another series of carb complient EV cars and Tesla basically gave them the finger.
just a rumor though



Not even a good rumor.

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 Post subject: Re: Why did Toyota build Rav4 EV? Why hydrogen after 2014 ?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:29 pm 
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As far as Toyota and Tesla are concerned, there is plenty of blame to go around.

Toyota famously insisted on the parking pawl (which required a different gear box casting, since Tesla doesn't use a parking pawl). Obviously, there were other issues from Toyota.

But, Tesla did not ultimately deliver the trouble-free hardware that Toyota paid them $100 million for.

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 Post subject: Re: Why did Toyota build Rav4 EV? Why hydrogen after 2014 ?
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A study of energy use in a community near Stanford finds that all-electric battery cars offer a more affordable way to reduce carbon dioxide emissions than cars powered by hydrogen.


http://news.stanford.edu/2016/11/14/battery-electric-cars-better-choice-reducing-emissions-fuel-cell-vehicles/

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